characters, and as persons, dispensable in their life world. The character wants to cut the
influence that the mother has on her life, her life choices and her narratives and everything.
But the more the mother starts to forget her own life and her own past, the less ground
the character has to cut, or to cancel. And the less ground that she has to cancel, the more
her own ground gets overwritten or in the sense they start to become the same person
ultimately. And while there is an interesting dynamic in the book, it doesn’t work for me:
what makes this notion of cancelling/cancellation so challenging in life is because we’re
complex people, we’re difficult, and we’re mysteries to ourselves and to each other. And
this sense of mystery (positive or negative) is altogether missing from the character’s
relation with her mother. This is also why, as you say, Manjiri, we never really get to know
the mother as a person. I think that in any literary writing, I am most interested in this
aspect of personhood: how do we write persons (especially those we are deeply connected
with and/or feel deeply distanced from) as who they are, not what they are? And most
importantly not simply, what they are to me, but also who they are in themselves, and who
they are with me.
Nandini: I haven’t yet read Avni Doshi’s book, I want to, but haven’t gotten to it yet. I
think this discussion of personhood is interesting, of course because of the questions
that you raised, Divya, the questions about who they are, and who they are as they relate to
me, but also how they have been formed through larger social and political histories, and
how such larger socio-political histories emerge, often in congealed, mediated and
convoluted ways, in interactions that we have. The novel, as a genre, expects that we write
this personhood in a very specific kind of a way. Poetry allows for a different kind of a
conversation. I am thinking of the series of poems Mihir Vatsa wrote about mothers,
using this vantage point of ‘my mother’. The mother who visits a beauty parlour, the
mother who reads her son’s poems, the mother who dances with her niece. In some ways,
there is a narrative quality to these poems, but they are also, for me, lyric poems, where
language works very differently from the novel. Here, language is brought to its absolute
limits, as it tends to happen in poetry. And, I wonder, what does it mean to create such
personhood, of a dancing, reading mother, during the times when much of the Hindutva
fascism expresses itself through the creation of a particular version of the mother-figure
– the Bharat Mata, so to say. What kind of personhood does Bharat Mata have? And,
when we write about mothers, as Indians, and especially Hindu, middle-class, or upper
middle-class, upper-caste Indians, how do we continue to bear the burden of Bharat Mata,
and the many ways in which things like state-sponsored nationalisms insert themselves
into our personal moments, familial lives, intimate relationships?
Avinab: I’m currently working on a novel, where I’m trying to navigate the schism that I
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